Networking Unleashed: Building Profitable Connections. An Interview with Phil Masiello and Michael A Forman
- mforman521
- Sep 26, 2025
- 25 min read
📍 📍 📍 📍 📍 Welcome to Networking Unleashed, building Profitable Connections. I'm your host, Michael Forman, and today we're diving into this space where innovation meets intention. My guest is a powerhouse entrepreneur who's built brands, scaled businesses, and embraced the future of AI and e-commerce, all without losing sight of what really drives growth connection.
We're talking about what makes a modern entrepreneur successful, how to build a brand that actually resonates and why networking is still one of the most profitable tools in your arsenal. Even an algorithm driven world, whether you're launching your first venture or ready to level up your digital presence, this conversation will challenge you to think bigger, connect deeper, and grow smarter.
And I would like to introduce Phil to my entire audience. He has quite a background. I'm gonna let him share that with you. Phil, welcome to the podcast. Hi. Thanks Michael. And I appreciate you having me on. My pleasure. So you want to give us a little bit insight into your background? Oh, sure. It's I.
I founded my first business when I was 27 years old, and it was a complete and utter disaster. I was a failure at leadership and a failure at process management and just every mistake that you could possibly make, I made. And after about three years, I finally said, enough is enough. I'm not.
I'm not accomplishing what I wanna accomplish. And I sold the business, took whatever money I had left, and moved to Maryland and went to University of Maryland and got my master's degree in, in finance and marketing. But I didn't go to, to graduate school because I felt like I needed more education.
I went there because I felt like I needed to think differently, which I did. And. While I was there, I got involved with a small specialty food chain in Washington DC I invested a little money. We grew that business to 12 stores plus we had made a couple of purchases, acquisitions of other companies and that really taught me about entrepreneurship, capital raising and things like that.
And then I founded another company called The Daily Market. After we sold such a place and I founded the Daily Market, which were grab and go meal stores, and then we founded a a website for selling meals online. This is at the dawn of of e-commerce. And that got a lot of attention. We got a lot of attention from consumers and we got a lot of attention from the industry and we wound up getting acquired by a supermarket chain.
And so I went to work for them for about two years. I am not a good employee. I am, I think, too far outside the box for any company to deal with. And so I did my two years helped them accomplish what they needed to accomplish. And then I went and I built a skincare line with a woman named Carol Alt.
Which we launched on the shopping channels here and internationally. And then we eventually grew that to be on Amazon. We were on in Ulta Beauty, Sephora, all the big beauty chains. We exited that and I founded a a. Shaving brand, which was good. We were we were a little bit ahead of ourselves, but it got very, the industry got very hot and we got acquired very quickly, which I felt was a little too quick.
And then I. Our partner in that was a, one of the major razor companies. And after we got acquired, they came to me and said, we don't know anything about direct to consumer. We'd love to f have, figure out how we can have you help us. We need to build websites that are consumer focused. We need to be able to sell to consumers.
All we ever know how to do a sell to the supermarket's drug chain. And so we I started helping them and that was the launching point of what I have today, which is Crunch Growth, revenue Acceleration Agency. I never planned on being in an agency. It just became that out of that conversation.
So from there on we help brands today scale on multiple platforms, whether it's e-commerce, brick and mortar whatever. We place advertising, we run social media for them, and we do, we're a full service agency. We do short form, long form video. We do we build sites, host sites, manage sites. So that's what we do.
Great. That's quite an extensive background and that's why I'm glad that I didn't attempt to say it because I would've butchered it. Alright. So I'm so glad that you told everybody or explained to everybody what it was. So let me just delve into these questions and just gimme your best answers.
Sure. In your experience. What separates successful entrepreneurs from those who struggle, and where does networking fit into that equation? Yeah, that's a great, that, that's a a great, that's a great question. So I think most successful entrepreneurs are able to take in criticism, whether it's from their customers or whether it's from outside sources, and reflect on it, and in an attempt to get better and constantly improved.
Because I think entrepreneurs, and I was guilty of this in my first startup, I think entrepreneurs think sometimes that they have. The answer to everything or they have to have the answer to everything and they don't. As far as networking goes, it's always good. To surround yourself with people that are going to be honest with you and give you their honest feedback and help you think through.
They don't have to give you the answer, they just have to help you think through. So the ability to network and listen to what other people have gone through, and be able to bounce ideas off and talk openly about what struggles that you're having or. Positives, negatives, and share that information. What whatever's positive or negative that you do share that with others, I think is invaluable for entrepreneurs.
So the whole relationship building, not only with your clients and your customers, but also with outside sources, helps you become a better manager, a better person, a better entrepreneur, and be able to see problems before they occur. Absolutely. I could agree with you more. And that, that whole, that you, that the entrepreneur has to know, everything is a fallacy.
So you just have to but, I consider myself, they call me a super connector, but I, a connector. I, I see two people, either one person with a problem, one person with an answer. I put them together and I back away. Yeah. Because I've done my job, I've done, I've look, I've put those two together.
I'll let them, if they're successful, fine. If not, that's fine too. I did my job but I don't have the answer for everybody, but I may know somebody. Sure. And it increases our network. So absolutely. It's, it goes more and more. And I can really go into that with you even further, but I'm not going to because I have more questions.
Okay. Before a brand becomes scalable, it has to become known. Yeah. How important is relationship building when launching or growing a personal or business brand? In today's environment, I don't care if you're building a personal brand or you're building a consumer product brand, or you're building a b B2B brand, I don't care.
I just actually just wrote a book on this whole subject, which is, the why behind the buy and the reason is. You have to make a connection with your customer, with your prospect, and who today, people wanna know who they're buying from, and they want to know what you stand for and what you're all about.
It's not like the old days, anybody who's marketing the way that we, people were marketing 20 years ago or 30 years ago, you're dead in the water because today's consumer. Again, I don't care whether there's a business consumer, a client for coaching somebody who is. You want in your network, they wanna know who you are and what you're all about.
And so you have to build that relationship before you can move further. Same thing with building a brand and especially when building a brand is all about, it's centered upon something. So if it's your personal brand, that brand is centered upon you, so you can't, you have to be able to express who you are, what your mission is, how you're gonna help people, and why they should get involved with you.
And that's the big thing, is why should a customer buy your product in your consumer product brand? Why should someone do business with you? If you're a business brand, why should someone do business with you if you're a personal brand? So you have to get that across and the way you do it.
Today we have tools like short form video, long form video that gives us the ability to communicate who we are, what we're all about, and why you should buy from us. Absolutely. Again, I couldn't agree with you more, and it's just because every time that, that you're explaining an answer to one of these questions, I'm agreeing with you a hundred percent, and I very rarely do this, by the way.
I'm agreeing with you a hundred percent, and I could pick out pieces of what you're talking about and talk for an hour. About it. Yeah. Yeah. So you're right on the mark with everything. You're at the intersection of AI and e-commerce. Yes. How is tech changing the way we network and build relationships, and where does the human touch still matter most?
Yeah. We hear so much about AI every day, about how AI is gonna take jobs away, or how AI is going to do this job or this job. The way that we approach it in our business is, again, you have to build, you have to be authentic, and you have to build a relationship with someone. So can AI be a tool that you can use in your arsenal to build a website?
Absolutely. To build your content? Absolutely. You can use that as a tool, but you have to put a human touch to it. If I went in and said to, cha GBT, Hey, write a description of who Phil is. It would write a great description, but I'm not gonna take that right out of cha GBT and give it to somebody.
I'm gonna tweak it. I'm gonna give it to an editor. I'm gonna give it to somebody else to look at because it has to be personalized. It can't be machine driven. I'm not a fan today of the images that come out of ai. I think that there's still a lot of work to do. It'll get there eventually. But your imagery has to be authentic.
I'm not gonna put up an avatar of fill or create a video using AI of fill just because it can take my picture and turn me into an avatar. I'm not gonna do that. I may use AI to script what I wanna say and then I'll go and film it. So all these pieces, these touch points that we're using, whether we're talking to customers, prospective customers clients, whatever it is, coaching, you have to be authentic.
And so you have to take what AI gives you. It's gonna get you 50 to 60% of the way there, but you have to bring it home authentically. You have to take what it gives you, tweak it, and make it your own. To be able to communicate with someone. I agree. AI is a tool. It's one, one in your tool belt and you use it when you have to.
But it's true. Like I, I write an article on four different platforms. I use AI to give me the general idea, but I still have to go in and still write the majority because it's not who I am, it's not from me, it's from ai. And I have to make it more personal. So I again. I agree with you a hundred percent.
Okay. This is getting a little redundant, but I agree with you. I will tell you one thing though, for everybody. 'cause everybody, whether you're a personal brand, whatever you're doing social media, you're doing ads, you're doing writing or whatever, you know the one thing that AI is phenomenal at.
Is the analytical part of data and the ability to take huge amounts of data and give you an answer as to a path to follow, to make, to get even better. So that part of ai, I think is unparalleled. Yeah I agree. The ai is a tool, but it's a greater tool than a lot of the other tools in your tool belt.
So if you're making X amount of dollars or you're have a certain place, you have to use AI and it will launch you. But again, you need that personal touch. Yep. You need to show them. This is you because they're not buying. 'cause I coach many students. I go onto the circuit and I do conferences and things like that, but I They don't wanna see a robot up there.
No. I have to go in there, I have to give 'em stories. I have to give a little bit. I have interact and that's me. That's just me. But that's what it's good for, so how did networking help you build your first big win, and how do you approach it differently now than when your brand was established?
I. My first big win, I would say was the daily markets. And that came out of working for another company. And what I learned, I had some, there were some really smart people that started the specialty food company, and they were real estate guys actually. They were developing something and they needed a.
Like a really high end grocery store. And so these were like 15, 20,000 square foot specialty food stores like you would see in New York City with Balducci and all. And they taught me, I. I worked very closely with the CEO and the, and they taught me that you have to listen and you have to talk to people and listen to them, and they're gonna tell you, what they need from you and what they expect from you, and then you can deliver.
But if you go in there. Thinking that you're gonna do all the talking and you're gonna tell them what you are gonna deliver, then you're gonna fall on deaf ears. So I've always carried that forward and so whether I'm building a consumer product brand, or whether I'm focused on myself or whether I'm focused on a business, you have to listen.
You have to listen to your customers, you have to listen to your clients, you have to listen to your prospects. You have to listen to the people in your groups. So I find myself. I just came back from a conference in Florida to just yesterday, and I found myself sitting in that room listening to every single person who was speaking and writing down notes about I.
About each one of them so that I could, when there's that off time, when you're engaging together, I knew what I wanted to talk to them about and I could bring up the fact that, hey, you said this and I find that interesting. First thing that does is they realize, oh, you really listened to me.
And the second thing is you're really interested in what I have to say and so they're more apt to give you even more. So you have to, it's really a two-way street of networking with people. You have to listen and hear what they have to say and then you can better help present yourself in a way that you can help them at another point.
That's sort of the point of networking. It's two way street. That's very true. There is a. That you can use for that listening. It's called active listening. Yeah. So that you just listen to what you don't want to, the next thing you say isn't the next thing that you wanna say. It's, you have to respond to what they're saying.
Easy way is to repeat part of what they said to you. Then continue on and finish what they were saying. So you're listening to them 'cause you are a problem solver. Yes. Okay. You're going to solve their problem. The only way that you are going to solve their problem is if you listen to them.
So if you listen to them, you and listen, every time you go into networking into whether it's a networking event or a conference or anything else, there's something called a servant's heart. I. You have to go in with a servant's heart. And what that is, it's like, what can I do for you? How can I make you more successful?
And it usually blows a person away. I don't even know what you do yet, and you're asking me how, what's going on? But it builds up that level of trust. Know you, like you, trust you. They'll do business with you. Yep. So you're increasing level of trust. Sometimes you have 30 seconds, a minute, five minutes to build that level of trust, but you have to build it just enough where they're actually open to what you're saying.
Yep. So that's all part of it. It's all part of it. Okay. So in brand building, people buy the story before they buy the product. How can entrepreneurs use the networking to shape their narrative? Yeah, that's a great question. It's really no different, right? You're talking to people when you're building a brand, you figured out who your target persona is, your customer.
You built this persona so you can speak in the language that they want to hear, that they speak in. If I'm, if I have a product that I'm, that's geared towards people that are between 20 and 35, there's a different speak than if I'm have a product or a brand that I'm speaking to people over 50.
So it's the same thing with entrepreneurs. You have to know who your audience is and what you're trying to accomplish with that audience. Are you just trying to. Let everybody know. And I, and believe me, I see entrepreneurs like this. You're just trying to let everybody know that you're the greatest in the world.
You, you're gonna speak away, but you're gonna, you're people are gonna shut you down because they don't, they get tired of hearing that I. What, so the same thing. You're telling a story, you're telling a narrative, you're telling your story, but you have to be humble about it or get across what you think is interesting for them.
So I did a speech in February at an entrepreneur event and I started out. And told them, my backstory. But I said, I founded 10 different businesses, but only four have been successful. And and I'll tell, and I tell them exactly why I failed, and I'm telling them that, not because I, I.
Not because of any other reason than I'm gonna try and help them to understand that failure is a part of growth. And you should never be ashamed of failure. You don't have to have all the answers. As an entrepreneur, it's okay to fail. I failed because I got myself into things that I shouldn't have been involved in or at the time, it wasn't right for me.
You have to know your audience. It's the same thing. You have to know your audience. You have to build a persona, and you have to get across what you think is gonna be interesting enough to help them. And that's storytelling. Absolutely. And storytelling, as is a very big part of your presentation.
Now. People remember the stories. Absolutely. They're not gonna remember what you talk about, but they're gonna remember the stories. Yes. So if your story resonates. With them, then they'll pay a little more closer attention to you. Absolutely. So one thing leads into the other, but that's a very big part of it.
And when I go on stage, that's the first thing I do is I hit 'em with a story. Yeah. I get them involved and it becomes that, that type of talk. But listen, I've been an entrepreneur. I've been six, seven businesses, and four or five succeeded. Two or three. Definitely did not succeed. But I learned so much more from my failures than my successes. Yeah. I, and that's just like I opened up with you. I started my first business when I was 27, and I say it's a complete disaster, but that disaster, I still carry that disaster with me to this day. The lessons I learned about leadership, communication, process management, all those things that I failed at, I make sure that I don't fail at them again.
I fail at other things, but I don't fail at those. Yeah, that's right. That's right. We won't get into that. Okay. But, you have to learn, when I speak to my corporate clients, the difference between leadership and being a boss. Yeah. You have to have the confidence in who you are and what you do in order to become a better leader.
If you're insecure, you can be the boss and tell people what to do and be afraid that they're gonna come for your job. Yeah. When being a leader is teaching them what you do. Yeah. It's not, so that's all right. That's, again, that's another conversation we can have for another hour, but we're not gonna have it.
Okay. So what's your strategy for maintaining strong relationships with strategic partners, collaborators, or even customers, especially in a digital first world? I think that in some ways. The digital first world enables us to be more in communication or build relationships stronger than in, in the past be.
And the reason is because I can send a message, I can send an email. If I think about something for you, I can send a message to you immediately. The one thing that I like to do is share information. If your, linked up with me, for example, and I know what you do, and we've talked and we're, we're we're in a business relationship and I see something that comes across that has to do with your industry.
I'll send it to you and say, Hey, I saw this. I don't know if you saw it, maybe you didn't, but I thought this was interesting about your business. So now I'm I like to constantly give. Information or give ideas or give thoughts or link people up and say, Hey hey guy, I I just had so and so on my show, and I think you guys should talk because they're both doing the same type of thing.
And I like doing that and I think people appreciate it because it's not one way. I'm not asking them for something. There may be a time when I may ask them for a little help on something that I'm working on, but I've built up so much. Ca, relationship capital with them because I constantly give and then there's usually no reason why they won't want to help me, but then they feel like we know each other.
I'll even give you an example on LinkedIn. We do outreach for our business on LinkedIn and we target specific people, and I never go heavy into the ask right away. It's usually Hey, let's hook up then I'll. Once. Once I learn about them, I'll send them something about their industry.
I'll even make comments on some of their posts now that we're linked up. And then by the time I ask for a meeting, which may be six or seven, weeks after they feel like we know each other because we've done all this, they feel like, oh, we're friends. So I think in some ways the digital side of it enables us to get a little bit closer to people if you use it correctly.
Yeah. Always if you use it correctly, but that's called building your social capital. Yeah. You have a lot of capital and you have to build it, and this is all social capitals, but what you're doing is you're bringing value to that relationship and what you're doing also is you're saying, okay, this other person, that article or something else that.
Have you seen it? You're adding value to your brand. Sure. And what you're doing, and when they accept it, you're increasing your social capital. So everything works with one another. And the fact that you don't ask for a meeting, I. To three or four or five times in. That's perfect because you've increased your social capital to such a point where they almost say I almost have to talk to him, because he turned a lot of that in, and then it's, of course, it's up to you on what you do with that, but that's exactly what I talk about.
Regarding LinkedIn. One of my coaching clients yesterday, I told him exactly that scenario with LinkedIn because that's one of the social soft touches you can do with an existing client. Sure. And he's just, and I told him the same thing about building his social capital and he quickly says I gotta write that down.
It's so important. No, it's not for you just to write down, it's for you to believe it. Yeah. And to do it. Okay. So many entrepreneurs underestimate the power of peer networks. How do you find or build a circle that truly pushes you forward? Yeah, so there are, I think that entrepreneurs, I. Should get involved in masterminds or academies, leadership groups even if it's online, there's groups out there like EO Entrepreneurs Organization or YPO, young President's Organization, you know those kinds of groups where you're gonna be in with peers and that allows you to network with them and also bounce.
Ideas and things off of them because now you're built you're getting a closer relationship. You're getting a sort of a one-on-one relationship with them. And so then you, they become your friends. And so they have experiences or shared experiences that you may have. They may have had the same stumbling block that you have.
So the ability to use that is, is I think, is just, you can't even measure how great that is. I think sometimes entrepreneurs, again they feel like. They should have all the answers, and they don't need outside help because they, it's their business and nobody knows what they're going gonna go through, and nobody knows what they're going through.
But the reality is no, everybody knows what you're going through. Everybody who's an entrepreneur has built a business or, built a personal brand knows exactly what you're going through because we've all gone through it. So why not share with. With others. And so sometimes it takes a little bit of time for entrepreneurs to get over that hurdle, but once they do, they find the relationship part of it just valuable.
Yeah. It's, again, it's re resorts to that trust factor. If I can trust you that you went through the same thing and you're not just blowing smoke up my dress, it's okay. I can, so he's been through it, so you know what, maybe I can ask him. Another thing is when you are on LinkedIn and you have a problem and you post it or not post to a group, when you ask somebody for their advice, they are more than willing to give you their advice because you're coming to them.
Okay, he thinks that I'm the professional, or I have a good take on this, so I'm gonna give him my advice and the more advice. Of course, obviously you take it. Figure it out. But that's one of the best ways to get through your problem. AI is revolutionary sorry. AI is revolutionizing efficiency, but can it ever replace the connection we get from one to one networking?
No. The Look, I, I. I, we build chatbots. We use chatbots for customer service interactions. We use chatbots in some of the outreach pieces, but it's only, like I said, it's gonna get you to a certain point. So we use AI and chat and, language models to get. Maybe to answer questions that people have basic questions to get you to the point where you're gonna get a phone call or you're gonna get on with them.
But you can't use ai and I don't think we ever will use AI to make the decisions or to be able to talk with someone. I've been on plenty of phone calls with, you're calling customer service and you can tell it's AI and you can speak normally and all that, but again, it's designed to weed it out or segment you or lead you to the final answer where, what are you calling about?
Is it your account? Is it this, is that stuff is great, right? It gets you to the right person so that they can solve your problem. But if you think that. You're gonna be able to just answer everybody's questions. I don't see it. And how are you gonna network with ai? How are you gonna It has its place, but again, you can't take away the human element of what we do every day, whether it's talking to clients, talking to customers, talking to prospects, talking to a networking group.
AI is just never gonna replace that. Yeah, no, I listen. That's one thing I promote whenever I go out and talk, of course, but the networking events, the networking between people. You have to be able to pick up the vibe of the person, the vibe of the room, and you can't do that through ai. You have to do that in personal networking.
Whether you're in a room filled with 300 people or just one-on-one, you can't pick up on that. If you're not there. Yeah. And so you'll always need, plus, you know what? We're human beings. We need the physical touch. We're not gonna survive unless we have it. So that's another thing. I'll tell you one thing that I tested the last two meetings I was at, and they were small groups, 25, 30 people and entrepreneurs and brand builders and, I got the list of the signups of the attendees from the sponsor of the show, and I took that list and I ran it through AI and said, give me a quick five sentence. Synopsis of each of these people. And all I'm trying to do there is to be able to now make a deeper connection. So when I walk up to somebody and I say, oh, you're Anne.
Oh, you did blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, am I correct? Is that you? And then all of a sudden they're taken off guard like, oh, he knows. How does he know me? How does he know anything about me? And it changed. The whole dynamic of the discussion, because I'm talking about, before, before the meetings all start when you're just mingling and you're, when you can walk up to somebody and say, Hey, I know a little bit about you.
I'd like to know more. I noticed that you did this. I. How was that? How did the, it just completely disarms people and they're impressed that you bothered to find out something about them and then they can just talk. And then, and I love that one. You can get people to just start talking about themselves.
So that was one thing I did. But again, it, I didn't use AI to talk to the person. I used AI just to give me five simple facts about the person. And which I thought was really an interesting way of starting. It is. And I use something called FORM. It's family, occupation, recreation, and a message.
And I have that in the back of my head every, for every networking event because people love to talk about themselves. Yeah. And the more you get them to talk about themselves the stronger that level of trust is. Father, mother, sister, brother, husband, wife, son, daughter talk about that, right? Or talk about, oh, you like to go skiing or boating or playing baseball or something.
Talk on that. Don't talk business because the more you talk about business. The less they're gonna pay attention to you, the more you talk about themselves and let them talk, the more that trust factor is, and the easier it will be for you to have that conversation at a later time. Yep. So when you try to make that cup of coffee to, to meeting, it'll be a lot easier after that form meeting.
Yeah. Okay, so how do you recommend early stage founders start networking if they feel like they have nothing big to offer yet? I. I, I think you always have something big to offer. You just don't see it. And it always comes out. It always comes out in the first meeting. So the first thing I, one of the things that I see that's been a great thing for young entrepreneurs are the accelerator and I.
The accelerator programs and or, co coworking spaces because they wind up going to the same place every day and it's probably 10 or 15 or 20 other startups in there. And you're forced almost to network within that group. And they always have networking events and they always have speakers and things so guys.
And gals who start businesses or early stage are in those places and they wind up talking and then they realize after about a month or so that they really do have something to offer, somebody might come to them and say, ask the same question that somebody else asked about their business. So I think that they just have to, you have to get over yourself and just take it, take that step, find the group that you wanna be with whether it's at.
An incubator or a an accelerator, or maybe it's an online leaders academy or a any group that you can get involved with even if you're just gonna listen in the beginning, get involved, and then start adding to the conversation, and you'll find that you have a lot to offer.
Yeah, always. And if you think about it as you said, you have a lot to offer 'cause you're not there because you said you woke up one morning and said, I'm gonna start a business. What am I gonna do? So you had to put some thought behind it. You had to create the business in your, at least in your head.
First. Sure. So if you go to that networking event, that's what you're talking about, right? So you do have something to offer. And of course at that event you can say, see what sticks, what doesn't stick, what they say, what they don't say. And that starts your progression. But it, you always have something to talk about.
Sure. Talk. And for some of us, we don't shut up, but that's beside the point. Okay. So let's bring this podcast full circle. Okay. I'm gonna ask you the last question. If someone listening is ready to build their brand, grow their business, and expand their network, what's the first bold move you challenge them to take this week?
The first bold move. So they're trying to grow their business, build a brand. Then the first bold move I would make would be to get, I would get into a group of like-minded people, entrepreneurs, people who have done it before, whoever, whatever your focus is. If you're building a brand, you're building a business, you're building, your network or your coaching business, personal brand, whatever it is, get into a group.
Of like-minded people that are do down the, going down the same path as you and just say, Hey, this is what I'm doing. Do you have any advice for me? And then let, and then just sit back and listen because people are always gonna give you advice if you ask for it. And, but that's the first bold move. I would say a lot of people don't want to do that because it puts you in a, puts you in a vulnerable position.
You feel like, now they're gonna think that I don't know what I'm doing or, I don't have a clue. But none of us do. We don't know what we're doing half the time. And so that's why it's important to network with people because somebody's gone through it and said, these are the 10 mistakes I made.
But if you want to ask me about how to build a brand and I will tell you, I will always start out and tell you about all of my failures and why I think you shouldn't go down that path. And here's, after all those failures, here's what I would do. Very good. Phil, I can tell you, I, I can go on for another two hours talking about all this stuff with you.
You're a great guest to have on, and I thank you for it, but appreciate that. If somebody wanted to get hold of you either to be coached to, they have a question about opening a business or a brand or anything like that, what's the best way that they can get hold of you? They can get, they could reach me at, we have two, I have two different websites.
One is crunch growth.com, which is for, the business. And you could reach me there, fill at Crunch Growth. I have phil maci.com. You could reach me there. fill@philmaci.com. You can hit me up on LinkedIn. I'm active on LinkedIn social media. Phil Massi. So that's you can always feel free to reach out.
People do it all the time. They send me dms. I'm, I try to be approachable. I may not get back to you right away, but I'll eventually get back to you. That's great. Great. Phil, I can't thank you enough for coming on the podcast and I hope to talk to you soon. Yeah, thank you Michael. It was fun. I appreciate it.
Good questions. Okay, good.
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